>> you're a bad influence on each other. >> we are not. >> oh, really? >> you almost hit me in the eye. >> do you know what would happen if i lost these eyes? they're a national treasure. >> they are. >> he'd be blind. >> thad be terrible. >> every year after that, i would get the funniest and oddest holiday cards and notes from paul reubens. he was a true original and a bright light in many, many people's lives. he will be missed. paul reubens was 70 years old. that's it for us. the news continues. "the source" with kaitlan "the source" with kaitlan collins starts now. -- captions by vitac -- www.vitac.com tonight straight from the "the source," donald trump expecting another indictment, quote, any day now. and as his legal peril grows, so does his political power. the staggering new numbers and

40 million ways that his base may help keep him out of prison. plus, trump's newest codefendant and mar-a-lago manager emerges from obscurity to the center of the storm, swarmed today by cameras at his first court appearance but not his last. could his indictment end up helping his boss delay that trial until after the election? and as president biden reverses a trump decision to move u.s. space command to alabama, some politicians are blasting the politics behind the no-go. we'll speak to one of them next. i'm kaitlan collins, and this is "the source." tonight, trump is predicting that his next indictment is imminent. any day now, is the way he worded it in a new post on social media. and of course as with other target letters and other indictments, he has been the one to tell us about them.though hi to be growing and mounting

exponentially, his political rtes are growing and growing as well. it's coming into clear vw today just how much he is dominating the nomination fight. a brand-new poll shows he has a 37-point lead over his next closest republican rival. that is 37 points ahead of governor ron desantis in the "new york times" survey of likely republican primary voters, and more than 50 points ahead of the rest of the pack. so, this, of course, is going on, two impeachments, two criminal indictments, as we are seeing here, as this is continuing, weighing what republican voters here are going to decide. i'm joined tonight by one of those republican candidates in the race, former arkansas governor, asa hutchinson. thank you so much for being here tonight. the republican front runner said he believes he's going to be indicted any day now. why aren't these indictments hurting him with your party's voters? >> well, they are. i think even though he has a grip right now on the campaign, on his candidacy, it's a

loosening grip. there's a growing resurgent effort against the trump gop establishment. and that resurgent effort is growing. it's because he has misled his supporters. he told them that we -- i'm fighting for you, and yet he's really asking them to fight for him by paying his legal fees, in which he's used $60 million of campaign funds that he solicited from small donors across america to pay legal fees. so, these facts, as they come out, are going to slow his campaign down. the last place you see it will probably be in the poll numbers. but you're seeing that reurgency grow, and i expect it to continue to do so. >> what are you basing that off of, governor? we're not seeing that in the numbers at this point. you're not seeing it when you go to iowa, new hampshire, and you talk to voters. you hear some concerns. but overwhelmingly, based on these new numbers, he is still the dominant force in your party, despite those

indictments. >> well, whenever you see campaign rallies, there's an incredible turnout. he brings a real entertainment value to his campaign. but whenever you look at winning in 2024, there's a recognition that will be problematic with trump leading the ticket, not just in his campaign but down the way. the debate is very important. the debate is going to bring out many of these facts. i am doubtful that donald trump will show up on the debate because i expect to be there. i plan on being there. and these are facts that will be brought out that he will not b able to withstand that type of scrutiny. >> you and i both don't think he is going to be based on what we. the poll finds only 19% of republicans in your party -- only 1 see the former president as having committed any serious federal crimes despite the fact he is facing

another potential indictment this week. what do you say to -- what do you say to those voters? >> what i say to them is that we can't win the donald trump leading the ticket. i tell them that these are very serious criminal charges, and they're going to have to cast a vote as to whether he's going to be our nominee or not while these charges are pending. can you imagine the circumstances that we have somebody leading our ticket that has been convicted of a felony or soon going to trial. this is unbelievable in american political history. i don't know that we've ever had these type -- i know we haven't had these type of circumstances before. and so i know that you see the poll numbers, and i believe there is merit that there's going to be a quiet reduction in those poll numbers, as more of ths come out and as more of the candidates join in and there is more candidates joining my reurgency.

and i think that's going to have an impact. >> so, you think the polls are just wrong? >> no, no, no. no. i'm saying that the polls are reflecting where we are today. but i'm saying, as you go on, he's going to lose support. those poll numbers are going to go down. you see it now in the donor base. you see it now in the nervousness of iowans and a recognition we need another alternative. but the last numbers that will move will be the poll numbers. so, you might see that dramatic change until later this fall. so, you've got to be patient on this. >> i should note, 52% of this republicans surveyed here said they are considering anyone not named donald trump. i will mention you talked about his legal fees. we have learned his political group spent more than $40 million on legal costs in just the first half of this year alone defending trump, his

advisers, and others. is the republican party turning into a legal defense fund at this point? >> well, he's merged his campaign into his defense strategy. his campaign is all about simply trying to address the criminal cases that are against him, both in terms of his fundraising but also in terms of his rallies and shaping public opinion. if he loses the public opinion, if he loses the fundraising base, he has no defense strategy. and so it's all merged in together. and that should be an alarming circumstance and fact for the gop and candidates that are going to running next year. >> do you agree with will hurd, what he said friday night, that trump is running for president to stay out of prison? >> no. i think he's using his run for president to run his campaign.

that is the ultimate what he is doing now. so, becoming president is a hopeful thing obviously for him. but the point is they're merged together right now. and i phrase it in a different way. this is an alarming day for our party. the debate is important. i'm going to raise these issues. i need everybody's support to be there. asa2024.com. a dollar helps me get on that debate stage, and we'll raise these issues that are important to the american public. >> governor, you said you believe his legal strategy is a political one. so, how do you not agree with that sentiment if he's running this race in a way to benefit and to help insulate him from his legal issues? >> well, he is. he is running this race in a way that funds his campaign, that keeps a public opinion moving his direction is what he's attempting to do. that's why he's going to continue to have rallies. but you're asking me the motive

as to why he ran to begin with, which was last year. i can't judge that. so, i respect will. he can say what he wants to say on there. i'll phrase it in my way and that his -- trump's candidacy is dangerous for the american public. we have to beat him at the ballot box. and people ask me, well, what's your chance of winning? you either have to elect him and coronate him or you get in there and fight. and i'm getting in there and fighting for the republican party that i believe in and the republican -- and the country that i want for our future and for our grandchildren's future, and it can't be led by donald trump. >> if you don't make the debate stage, will you stay in the 2024 race? >> i intend to make the debate stage. we've had 10,000 new donors just in the last couple of weeks. so, we have momentum there. i have full expectation to be there. people expect me to be on that debate stage. and i intend to be there and i

know that the 40,000 donors will come through for us. >> i know you want to be the and you've said you intend to be there. i think there's a real question about whether or not you will. when you look at this poll, they didn't poll just trump. they polled althe republicans. and you, governor, don't hit 1% in any of the demographics when it comes to hispanics, evangelical voters, women voters, those with a college degree, without a college degree. when you see those numbers, how do you -- why do you think you'll be on that debate stage in just a month from now? >> well, the rasmussen poll, the credible national poll, had he at 4%, tied with a number of other contenders there. so, let's just look at a broad variety of polls there. but, again, i'm not as known as some others that are out there. i want people to hear my story. being a federal prosecutor, head of the dea, worked on border security issues in the bush administration, congress, a

governor for eight years. i want them to hear that record of experience. and as we get out there, i expect those numbers to change. >> governor asa hutchinson, we will see if they do, if trump's numbers change as well with those pending indictments. thanks so much for joining us tonight. >> for more on this, i want to bring in jamal simmons, former communications director for vice president kamala harris, and alyssa farah griffin. with trump's support, alyssa, and you're looking at these polls, essentially the broader picture of this entire "new york times" poll is just how large is lead is from all of the other republican candidates. if you're asa hutchinson or even a ron desantis, what's your reaction when you see that poll? >> this poll should send shockwaves through any member of the republican party who wants to see the party take a different direction from donald trump. this notion that ron desantis was supposed to be the heir apparent, i think he had a shot of that shortly after the

midterms, but that's been squandered. i have to place blame on the top contenders in the field af donald trump, whether it's ron desantis, nikki haley, tim scott, who i have a ton of respect for, they have not taken on donald trump. a former president who's got near 100% name i.d. in this country, this notion you're going to somehow beat him by defining yourself and rolling out a great policy proposal, that doesn't work in donald trump's america. there has to be an effort to talk about why he's not a credible leader, why he is ununfit for office. how many indictments do we have to have before they're going to do that. i think as smart as folks may be, they're waiting for magic to happen. >> thomas massie, who's a kentucky republican who is endorsing desantis joked maybe they needed to get him indicted. it would help his numbers in the republican party. what we hear a lot of times is there's too many candidates and that's why trump is above it all because he splits the deskengs.

tr efb if it's just the two of them, trump is so far ahead of him. >> the actual numbers are more impressive than the spread, right? 54-17. it's a pretty big deal. donald trueerly has the force when it comes to the republican primary. too bad it's on thdark side. it's clear donald trump the big character here. the question i think that governor hutchinson was getting at is there are a few pivot points when it comes to campaigns. the debates will be one of those pivot points. right now nobody really knows anything about the rest of these candidates. once they see them on stage, they see how they perform, i think the poll after that in iowa and new hampshire and spinal cord, the states that matter first, let's take a poll after that. >> is it policy that matters? what is the take away from the

debate? "the new york times" found they looked at all sides of the issue. if you believe that trans people should be able to identify with their gender. they do or don't. whether you believe the change should be made to social security and medicare or they shouldn't. whether you believe in corporations should promote left and woke ideology. on every side of the issue, republican voters still sided with trump over desantis, even on some of the issues he says he's stronger than trump on. >> well, even if -- i think policy matters to a certain degree, but i think we live in such a 24-hour news cycle social media environment where personalities really drive things. and there's no bigger personality than donald trump. i agree with you. i don't think he's going to show up to the debate stage. i probably wouldn't tell him to. i would expect him to have counter programming that is going to juice him just as much as the people who are with him. i do think with desantis sinking, there is an opportunity for someone to emerge as the number two. i think it's likely a nikki haley or a tim scott.

but it will require them to get aggressive and define why donald trump can't be the leader. part of it is the electability issue, he who joe biden wants to run against. squ sq joe biden is champing at the bit to run against donald trump again. if it's nikki haley, will hurd, tim scott, that's more challenging for the president. >> an argument tim scott makes, he can get tngs done and he can beat joe biden. when "the new york times" asked publican likely voters that, they believe that trump would be able tbe desantis when it came to gettg things done 67-22%. and on the ability to beat biden, they gave trump 58% and desantis 28%. these are the two arguments he's been making on the campaign trail. >> this poll is devastating for desantis in every possible way, including the meme who say they're favorably inclined to -- his favorable number was 56%. among those people, donald trump still beat him 49-48.

i mean, it's a pretty tough road for him to get through. >> not even just those issues. it's also about trump and his legal exposure. there were republicans, 22%, i believe, when they were looking at the trump/desantis head-to-head matchup that said even if they believe trump committed serious federal crimes that they would still pick him over desantis. you're a republican. what does that say about where republican voters are. >> donald trump has done a masterful job of convincing the american public that this is a witch hunt. these are true allegations. he's been aided by a lot of republicans in the party who if he's the nominee they're going to bear the brunt of that when he, i think, will lose to joe biden. >> kaitlan, he's so strong, he gets indicted and everyone else has campaign problems. >> we'll see if he's right about that prediction there. thank you both for being here tonight. we got our first look today at the second person accused of conspiring with trump to obstruct justice. what happened when the mar-a-lago property manager

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coast. in the d.c. election interference case, the former president says he believes an indictment could happen any day now. obviously he has been the very person to announce many of the indictments and target letters he has received. meanwhile, in miami, the former president's new codefendant in the mar-a-lago documents case had his first appearance in court today. and in georgia, fulton county is bracing for potential charges there, as the district attorney says that her investigation, which has been going on for two and a half years now is complete, and quote, we are ready to go. a lot to sort through tonight obviously on the legal front, so i am joined by a pair of former u.s. attorneys. harry, trump says this indictment is coming any day now. obviously it's trump. we don't know when the actual indictment will come. but he has forecast these a lot in the past. if and when that comes down, what are you going to be looking for in the charges. >> i want to see this, 241, it

was kind of the surprise statute, the civil rights statute. what's the theory there. they're not doing an insurrection charge it looks like. it may have to do with the actual conduct on january 6th. i really want to see what that's about. >> is your expectation that it won't be a sealed indictment like there was with the documents case, we had to wait for them to unseal it. it was the trump legal team out there talking about the charges and what it looked like and then we saw the indictment itself. >> that's right. the only real reason to do it, you would sometimes do it if you believe the defendant is going to abscond. won't happen here. the reason to do it is to get the security in line and have everything to go. that will be a judgment call jack smith will make maybe with the chief judge. >> that's the 2020 election interference investigation. we have the documents case as a third codefendant was added. he was in court today in miami, carlos de oliveira. his arraignment is scheduled for

august 10th. he didn't have a florida based attorney. we saw the same thing with walt nauta. do you think this is clear delay tactic from the trump legal team? >> i don't think it is. the southern district of florida is very strict. you have to have a local counsel stand up for outside counsel. i don't really credit it to being a real delay tactic, and i don't think it's going to really delay much of anything. and remember trump also needs to be arraigned once again on the superseding indictment. so, my guess will be that they'll do it all in one package. >> august 10th is what we're looking for there. the other thing we learned from the superseding indictment is about trump employee four. it's yuscil taveras, the i.t. employee in charge of all of that. he was the one that carlos de oliveira went to and asked about deleting a server for the boss. is it clear to you, given he has gotten a target letter, as we are told. part of these new charges is

based on what he told investigators. do you believe he's cooperating with them? >> yes, or he's just testifying, as he's supposed to. but it's such a good point you make and the people largely miss. he gets the target letter, and now he does what people should be doing, what de oliveira should have done, nauta should have done. he gets a new lawyer. the guy he had before represents, like, a dozen witnesses. >> including walt nauta. >> right. and that new lawyer says, excuse me, you've got a way to have no jeopardy, a way to have jeopardy. why don't you actually tell the truth? he does. he goes forward. is he a cooperator? he's out of trouble. that's what we know. he won't be charged. and he's someone who's just got up and told the truth like citizens are supposed to. >> what do you read into prosecutors are asking about who's paying for their attorneys and who's paying for their legal fees? we know obviously walt nauta's attorney, stan woodward is being. >> it's a great question.

it's an obstruction case. and part of the obstruction case is who the witnesses are and what they're hearing from the witnesses. and part of that is who's representing these witnesses. and is that the representation really part of an obstruction scheme? and i think with employee number four, i think what harry just explained, the switching of the lawyers really speaks to that very issue, that when he had a lawyer who was paid for by the trump organization, he said one thing. when that lawyer was conflicted and he got a new lawyer, bingo. he suddenly is what appears to be, in my mind, undoubtedly, a cooperate investor. >> you believe undoubtedly he is cooperating? >> i do. >> wow. we're not just watching this investigation. we're also now watching georgia as well. we have long believed that august would be the month where there was any movement in dhas. and we heard from the fulton county district attorney on the investigation of it, her view. this is what she said. >> we've been working for two

and a half years. we're ready to go. >> what do you make of that? do you think charges are coming? >> oh, yeah. and ready to go means ready to go. i think in saying september 1st, she was looking to give a little birth to jack smith. it's very unusual. they haven't communicated at all, we've learned, which is strange or at least unusual. and i think in saying september 1st, she's saying, you've got a week or two. from news reports, you might have thought i'm coming tomorrow, but pull the trigger relatively quickly. >> do you think it's strange they haven't coordinated? >> i don't. i can see jack smith wanting to say he wasn't influenced by anything exterior to his own team. i think putting up the orange barriers in front of the fulton county courthouse sends the signal he needs. >> they're now practical issues. you're right he might not have done it before, but they're going to be tripping over different statements in grand jury. >> for the district attorney you saw there, fani willis, there

was an attempt to disqualify her by the trump team. they cited comments she's made in the past. do they have any merit that she has played a political role in this as well. >> you know, her campaign actually did talk about trump that way. i don't think it'll get anywhere, but it's not completely just one of the few things that have a little bit going for them. >> look, i agree. i don't think, number one, the judge found it was a slam dunk, no standing. so, he couldn't really bring the suit. and when the case ultimately gets charged, he still doesn't really have a claim. i think his best claim may be some sort of selective prosecution. that's an incredibly difficult charge to succeed on. i think this is all a lot of noise. >> we just ticked through a lot right there. d.c., florida, fulton county. >> doing our best. >> thank you both for being here. ahead, u.s. space command is staying where it is, colorado, af president biden says he will not be moving the headquarters to alabama, as was ordered in the trump administration.

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tonight, sources say president biden will keep the headquarters of u.s. space command in colorado, reversing a trump-era plan to move it to huntsville, alabama, a decision that has left republicans and democrats in that state unhappy tonight. the nation's top military leaders chose colorado springs as the home of space command in 2021. but president trump, before he announcement they were going to be moving to alabama, a decision

that was backed by the secretary of the air force that trump had picked at that time. there was later an evaluation. that evaluation did find that huntsville was ranked 1st, colorado springs was 5th. this is a list of six contenders they looked into as what was the best home for space command. colorado officials said the decision was politically motivated at the time. there was a report done by the government accountability office and the inspector general at the pentagon that found there were shortfalls but still backed it. the air force secretaried that is in place now, frank kendall, continued to recommend having the headquarters moved to alabama, in line with that initial recommendation. u.s. officials say biden's decision is based on the advice of the head of space command, general james dickinson, who argued if they moved it now, it would jeopardize military readiness, given the time it would take to move. tommy tuberville is now saying this is a disastrous and politically based decision that

he says, of course, this comes as he is single handedly holding up the nominations of more than 300 military officers over the pentagon's abortion policy. joining me now to talk about this is republican congressman robert aderholt of alabama. congressman, thank you for joining us. we are told the pentagon informed the congressional delegation in alabama of this decision before it was announced publicly. were you one of those, and what did you say to those officials? >> well, the last decision -- or the last conversation that we had with the folks at the pentagon and with general dickinson was that there was no reason that it had to be in colorado. so, this came as a complete surprise to us today. we had no knowledge of it before this afternoon. we got word actually from a reporter. so, no, we were kpcompletely shocked because, of course, obviously we knew that colorado was wanting to get space command.

but they ranked number five, as you mentioned in your opening remarks. and huntsville, north alabama, was number one. and therefore it only made since, not using politics to make the decision, that it would come to alabama. >> and do you believe this is a political decision that is being made by the administration? >> well, i'm concerned that it is because you mentioned about the inspector general. biden had his inspector general come in and make another adjustment and still huntsville came out on top, heads and shoulders above the rest. this decision was made quite some time ago. it happened to be president trump was the president. but it was based on the decision that huntsville and north alabama was the best place. no political decision -- political influence was put into that, to my knowledge. and it was solely based on what the dynamics of the situation was. >> but on that front, you know, this decision has kind of

sparked this debate, i know, among lawmakers over, you know, who should make the decision here. as we noted, the air force secretary, frank kendall, was leaning toward alabama. and the question was, should the air force secretary be the one making this final decision? do you believe it's up to the president? or is it up to the secretary of the air force here? >> i think ultimately it should be up to the secretary of the air force because it should not be a political decision. and that was why alabama was ranked number one. and that's why for all indication it was going to alabama. so, you know, it's just completely shocking and outrageous that all of a sudden here, at the 11th hour, they've decided to put it in colorado, when if you look on the list, they ranked five. i mean, nothing against colorado, but it was just not the place they thought was best. they looked at the best place for cost of living. multiple factors were put into

the mix. politics was not one of those. and huntsville, north alabama, came on top. >> i should note trump's secretary of the air force said she believed it should be moved to alabama. he later claimed single handedly he was the one. the pushback to what you're saying today is that they say the headquarters in alabama, the new one, would not be completed until sometime af 2030. and that would affect military readiness. do you see any merit in that argument? >> no because we had a conversation -- when i say "we," the alabama delegation. all of us met with general dickinson, who is over space command, and that was never once mentioned. this was probably within the last two months we had this conversation. and there was no indication there was a problem with huntsville at that time. and if things have changed, i don't know if it's coming from. >> as you know -- >> other than maybe it's coming from politics from the president.

>> well, as you know, our home state of alabama bans abortion at any stage of pregnancy, no exception for rape and incest. the only exception is if it's needed because the pregnancy threatens the health of the mother. we had previously heard from u.s. officials that they had concerns about those policies in alabama and what it would mean for service members there if space command was moved to huntsville. do you believe that the overturning of roe versus wade and the state's abortion policy played a role in this decision? >> well, i hope not because if it did we know it's clearly politics. i hope that we're not deciding where our military bases in this country going to be located is based on the political landscape of the particular state. so, obviously alabama did, like many other states, pass some abortion laws, as under the dobbs decision they could. i don't want us to go down a road of where we're making military decisions based on

politics. and that's what this looks like, and that's why we're very concerned. as the alabama delegation, we're going to do everything we can to try to, you know, find out where the problem is. and you know, we'll be meeting together probably very soon and discussing how we can move forward with this. >> if you don't think politics should play a role in military decisions, does that mean you disagree with what senator tuberville is doing right now by holding up military nominations because he doesn't like the pentagon's abortion policy. >> you've got to remember it never was the policy of the pentagon. abortion was never on the table. so, the biden administration brought politics into the mix. and that's why tuberville has been responding the way he has. he is pushing back with administration and saying, you know, let's not play pollitics with this. they were the ones that started it. if he had never put the policy in where they pay for travel on

abortions, then this issue would never come up. >> they're not paying for abortions. they're paying for service members to be able to travel. so, they're not directly paying for abortions. they say they're doing that because a service member -- they don't get to decide where they're stationed. if they're stationed in alabama, they have no choice but to travel to make that decision. >> well, the bottom line is the taxpayer dollars are going toward abortion. kaitlan, there's a lot of people in this country, including myself, that just doesn't feel comfortable that taxpayer dollars are going toward any way directly or indirectly toward abortion. and that's what this is all about. >> if the concern is about military readiness, don't you agree that his hold on these nominations for someone who is going to be on the joint chiefs of staff is affecting military readiness? >> i think that these people -- obviously you want to try to do everything you can. you don't want to impede the military. but at the same time, there is a

lot of people -- i think the military is doing fine, and i don't think these holes on the military are going to cause any great concern to the readiness of our military. >> i just think some people listening may have a tough time connecting those two and understanding the concerns that you and the members of the alabama delegation have that the administration is playing politics by deciding where the head of space command should be and the idea that an alabama senator is single handedly blocking all of these military promotions, which former defense secretaries say is going to affect military readiness. >> well, no, again, it goes back -- this was never an issue until the biden administration put this policy in effect in the beginning. that abortion would be -- >> but that's because the supreme court overturned roe versus wade. >> exactly. but since that -- but let me just that, you know, what we're talking about is taxpayer dollars. and there's not that anyone's forbidden from getting abortion,

but it's just the taxpayer dollars going toward, indirectly, but still. and there's so many americans that does not want to see their taxpayer dollars go toward abortion. >> congressman robert aderholt, thank you for joining us on this decision about space command and where it's going. if you hear anything from the administration, please let us know. >> thanks, kaitlan. it's good to be on with you. >> thank you. ahead, an update on the search for the american nurse who was kidnapped in haiti along with her child. what we're learning. spend their money with chase. the chef's cooking up firsts withth her new debit card. hungry? -uhuh. the designer's eyeing sequins. uh no plaid. while mom is eyeing his spending. nice. and the engineer? she's taking control with her own account for college. three futures, all with chase. freedom for kids. control for parents. one bank for both. chase. make more of what's yours.

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tonight, u.s. officials are closely monitoring the kidnapping of an american nurse and her child in haiti. they have not said whether or not they have any leads. this is alix dorsainvil. she was in the country with a christian humanitarian organization that her husband founded. in a video for the aid group, she described what working in haiti meant to her. >> haitians are such a resilient people. they're full of joy and lifend love, and i'm so blessed to be able to know so many amazing haitians. >> the organization now says that alix and her child were taken near port-au-prince thursday morning. that's the same day that the state department put out a new warning telling all non-emergency personnel to leave haiti, given the situation

unfolding on the ground. joining me now is the executive director of unicef, katherine russell. i know you were just in haiti, just left there last month. what is the situation like on the ground? >> the situation on the ground is really quite desperate. there's so much violence everywhere. there are armed gangs that are sort of patrolling port-au-prince and terrorizing everyone who lives there honestly. and now we're seeing vigilantes forming in response to the gangs. so, the result is that the poor people who live there are just being completely terrorized by gangs on both sides and living in complete and utter terror. >> and haiti has always struggled of course, and then the humanitarian issues on top of it. the president was assassinated recently. the confluence of issues on the ground and how that's affecting -- you're seeing it up close how that's affecting these children, people who are living there and growing up and trying to live their normal lives. >> unicef does humanitarian work primarily. that's what we're there for is

to try to help 5 million people who need humanitarian assistance. that's incredible challenging when, as you say, haiti has had many struggles over the years. some of those are things like earthquakes that they have no control over. some is bad governance. some is really difficult sort of violence that has been a persistent problem. the confluence of all of these things has made it challenges for the population that lives there. >> what's the solution for that? i think people who look at this and they're horrified. alix talked tababout the resiliy of the people. >> i was there, sidney mccain, who is the executive director of world food program, and we saw a school where these kids are so excited to be there. they come, they're in their uniforms. you saw it in the uniform. they have their hair in beautiful bows and ribbons.

it means so much to them to be able to go to school. right now you can't even get to that because the violence is so pervasive. i think the first thing is that somehow we need to quell the violence. and that's not going to be easy because haiti doesn't really is have the capacity itself to do that. it doesn't have a military. it has a police force that's really decimated. so, they are unable to do this. so, that's why president henri, as you mentioned has asked for international help. the secretary general, the secretary of state, have said there needs to be some force that goes in to try to stop some of the violence. >> we're thinking of alix and her family and hoping for a safe recovery. thank you for joining us and giving your perspective. >> thanks so much. >> thank you. back home, some republicans are sparring with democrat counterparts over testimony from a former business partner of hunter biden. what he told lawmakers during a closed door deposition next. ♪

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that's according to a source familiar with his testimony. but archer also stress that while hunter biden did call his father, vice president at the time, he says it was in an effort to sell, what he called the illusion of access to that vice president biden. sources also reiterating that archer did not provide any evidence connecting president biden to his son's business dealings. as republicans have alleged. that does not change. and archers appearance comes as he is said to serve a yearlong prison sentence in an unrelated fraud case. but something that played in the testimony. that was the most notable thing. that him saying that hunter biden called the then vice president and put him on speakerphone. i don't think it's surprised, we got wildly different versions of it from democrats and republicans. >> we definitely have. devin archer was a business partner for the biden for about a decade. and he said that hunter biden called his father every single day. but he recalled 20 times that hunter biden had called his

father, put him on speakerphone, when they were in meetings with business associates. one phone call took place when they were in paris, at a dinner. he also talked about how according to sources, the former president, i guess he was the then vice president. had popped into a dinner. he had done this numerous times. but what are traded say under oath, according to our sources, is that they never discussed business. these were more of just cordial, hello kinds of situations. the republicans are saying they're going to seize on this. the house oversight committee chairman james comerng biden did know something about these foreign business dealings. n thstatement after the hearing he said when joe biden was vice president of the united states he joined hunter biden'designers with his foreign business persons with -- why joe biden lied to the american people over his business dealings and involvement? because the democrats are choosing to look at this

differently. and the house member, dan goldman, who was in the room when this testimony was taking place, he came out afterwards and said that this is all just a waste of time. here is more of what he said. >> the witness was very, very consistent that none of those conversations ever had to do with any business dealings or transactions. they were purely, what he called, casual conversation. >> archer's attorney is saying of course both sides are looking to claim victory here, but he said all that devin archer did was answer all of their questions. honestly in truthfully. >> notable, thank you for tracking all of that for us. also ahead, there has been a new subpoena just issued in a trump related investigation. who is it? we will tell you next.

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a journalist in atlanta says that he has gotten subpoenas, two of them, to appear before a fulton county grand jury sometime in the month of august. his name is george, he was at the state capital, on december 14th 2020. the reason that day is critical, is because that is the day that the electors were meeting to certify the election for president joe biden. he discovered a meeting of republicans downstairs who are planning to serve as fake electors, this is the latest indication that the district attorney, vani wallace, could plan to seek indictments in her criminal probe into trump, and the allies efforts to overturn the 2020 election. we also know that meeting is something that has come in a bit of entrance to the special counsel, jack smith. i should note that this was first reported by the atlanta journal-constitution. cnn has confirmed it. as you heard earlier the district attorney in the state says that she and her fellow prosecutors two and a half years into their investigation in the state of georgia are quote, ready to go.